As you have probably heard of the hollow Earth theory before, as it is a topic that found its way to ATS a few many times before…
I’ve run into a little problem. I wanted to make a thread… on the hollow Earth thing… Yes, really
Now because of it being a topic before I will have to make a greater effort to make it worth your while, so to say…
Which I will !
I will present to you, the theory and arguments, that “Proof” a hollow Earth is an absolute “fact”.
Now don’t click away…
I’m also presenting the arguments that say “it is a HOAX” . I’m writing this before I’ve started to gather anything and my personal opinion, ( at the time of me typing this ! ) is that it is a hoax .
Please… Follow me in the world that might be hollow, on a quest to discover what there really is to know ?
The Hollow Earth.
Let your eyes slide by this picture, and, for a moment, try to imagine it is real.
Whooo ! Not so fast. Imagine it is real until you read it is not. Or click that little x on the left top of the screen. No…! don’t do that just yet, just play along will ya.
These “facts” are confirmed by explorers of the poles, and are really presented as facts . I’m not kidding, really.
1. There is really no North or South Pole. Where they are supposed to exist, there are really wide openings to the hollow interior of the Earth.
2. Flying saucers come from the hollow interior of the Earth through these polar openings.
3. The hollow interior of the earth, warmed by its central sun (the source of Aurora Borealis), has an ideal subtropical climate of about ’76 degrees in temperature, neither too hot nor too cold.
4. Arctic explorers found the temperature to rise as they travelled far north; they found more open seas; they found animals travelling north in winter, seeking food and warmth, when they should have gone south; they found the compass needle to assume a vertical position instead of a horizontal one and to become extremely eccentric; they saw tropical birds and more animal life the further north they went; they saw butterflies, mosquitoes and other insects in the extreme north, when they were not found until one is as far south as Alaska and Canada; they found the snow discolored by colored pollen and black dust, which became worse the further north they went. The only explanation is that this dust came from active volcanoes in the polar opening.
5. There is a large population inhabiting the inner concave surface of the Earth’s crust, composing a civilization far in advance of our own in its scientific achievements, which. probably descended from the sunken continents of Lemuria. and Atlantis. Flying saucers are only one of their many achievements. It would be to our advantage to contact these Elder Brothers of the human race, learn from them and receive their advice and aid.
6. The existence of a polar opening and land beyond the Poles is probably known to the U.S. Navy, in whose employ Admiral Byrd made his two historic flights and which is probably a top international secret.
Link.
I will get back on each and every single one of them.
You will find these further on, where it seems as if they could really have some weight.
Fun Fact :
The home page of the site I started my quest, also talks about “The Polar Shift”. I can imagine that any shift of the pole would be more devastating for the hollow Earth inhabitants then us.
The next quote is a piece of an article I found.
our world is hollow, with the crust of the earth being 800 miles thick. There exists two openings at the North and South Pole, each hole having a circumference of 1400 miles wide. At the center of the earth is not a molten core but an inner sun which is six hundred miles wide and is 2900 miles from the Inner Surfaces. The diameter of the lip at the opening at the poles is 1200 miles long, thus a person can not see the other side of the opening.Therefore, there exists three worlds on our planet, the outer surface, where we live, the middle earth which purportedly is lined with many caverns, tunnels (made by someone), Inner Cities and people who live there and lastly the Inner Surface. How Gravity works then is the following. For the people who live on the outer surface, Gravity holds them down. For the people that live in the middle earth, the closer they get to the center of the crust (i.e. – 400 miles down), the less effect gravity will have upon them. In the book, “Etidorhpa”, when this individual traveling down into the earth reached the center of gravity, i.e. where there is no gravity — he was able to move by the power of his mind, his heart stop beating and he didn’t need to eat. He described gigantic vegetation that lives under the earth as this lesser pull of gravity allows things to grow larger. Lastly for the people who live on the inner surface, they would also feel gravity pull on them to walk on this surface
Link.
I never could understand why they would take a plane as high as possible only to make it ( nose first ) fall as fast as possible to the ground.
Although it is easier to get a few miles up, then it is to get 400 miles down. That’s for sure.
A picture where they show a cross section of the hollow Earth and how the inner sun shines within.
(Sorry about the bad quality. It is a gif image.)
Here is a much better one.
They explain
That when a planet is formed it is first just gas which is rotating. He said that the heavy particles eventually expand out and create the planet’s surface and the lighter particles contract to form the central sun.
One name kept coming up. The name of Admiral Bird.
Apparently an American hero, Admiral Bird bearer of the medal of honor, left a secret diary.
You can read, at least a part of it, here.
Bird’s diary.
A you tube link with a recording from Coast to Coast.
Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the United States Navy flew to the North Pole in 1926 and over the South Pole in 1929. he referred to Antarctica as “The Land of Everlasting Mystery”. In reference to the North Pole he wrote: “I’d like to see that land beyond the North Pole, it is the Center of the Great Unknown.”In his diary, Byrd allegedly tells of entering the hollow interior of the earth, along with others and traveling 17 miles over mountains, lakes, rivers, green vegetation, and animal life. He tells of seeing tremendous animals resembling the mammoths of antiquity moving through the brush. He eventually found cities and a thriving civilization. The external temperature was 74 degrees F.
His airplane was greeted by flying machines of a type he had never seen before. They escorted him to a safe landing area where he was graciously greeted by emissaries from Agartha. After resting, he and his crew, were taken to meet the king and queen of Agartha. They told him that he had been allowed to enter Agartha because of his high moral and ethical character. They went on to say that they worried about the safety of planet due to he bombs and other testing done above the surface by governments. After the visit Byrd and his crew were guided back to the surface of the planet.
Byrd stated that the North and South Poles are only two of many openings into the center of the Earth. He also wrote about seeing a sun below the Earth.
A hollow Earth has got to have places to live, right ? To my surprise I’ve ran into 4 of them.
Bonus: The location and the number of inhabitants are given.
Capitol CitiesPOSID:
Primary Atlantean outpost, located beneath the Mato Grosso plains region of Brazil. Population: 1.3 million.
SHONSHE:
Refuge of the Uighur culture, a branch of the Lemurians who chose to form their own colonies 50,000 years ago. Entrance is guarded by a Himalayan lamasery. Population: 3/4 million.
RAMA:
Remnant of the surface city of Rama, India located near Jaipur. Inhabitants are known for their classic Hindu features. Population: 1 million.
SHINGWA:
Remnant of the northern migration of the Uighurs. Located on the border of Mongolia and China. with a small secondary city in Mt. Lassen, California. Telos translated means “communication with Spirit.” Population: 1.5 million.
I assume they are advanced and act like it. So they will probably not breed like rabbits as we do on the surface. If they do exist, you can take these numbers as they are. They have probably found a balance somewhere in the past.
There are also a number of entrances which are:
Cueva de los Tayos (Cave of the oil birds), Ecuador
Gobi Desert , Mongolia.
Great Pyramid of Giza
Iguazu Falls , Argentina and Brazil
Mammoth Cave , Kentucky, USA
Manaus , Brazil
Mato Grosso , Brazil
Mount Epomeo , Italy
Mount Shasta , California (the Agharthean city of Telos)
North Pole
Rama , near Jaipur, India
South Pole
The Well of Sheshna in Benares, India (the Agharthean city of Patala)
Link.
So much for the hollow Earth story. You can find everything you want to know, and what there is to know, with one small click on the links above and at the end of this thread.
There are more stories out there then there is room to post. I think I’ve provided the essentials. I hope you will agree
Now, for the second part of this thread I will present you with the “So called” evidence , arguments and counter arguments, on the big “]Fact or Fiction” question.
Fact or Fiction
I’ll start with the “ facts” that proof the hollow Earth, and I will provide the counter argument below the individual claim.
The Aurora Borealis. ( Imagine for a sec. the aurora australius. Which is the same thing , but only at the South Pole. )
In the late 17th century, British astronomer Edmund Halley proposed that Earth consists of four concentric spheres and “also suggested that the interior of the Earth was populated with life and lit by a luminous atmosphere. He thought the aurora borealis, or northern lights, was caused by the escape of this gas through a thin crust at the poles.”
We all know the aurora borealis or the northern light is a result of high energy particles that radiate from the sun. They come in collision with the Earth’s magnetic shield and a part is guided to the poles, where they finally reach the atmosphere and, well… explode, releasing a photonic discharge. Resulting in the aurora borealis. The color depends on the element it reacts with.
A few pictures. Small to save room and keep it orderly.:p
And the most beautiful.
Wiki link.
So the first score : 0-1 in favor of the skeptic team.
The secret diary of Admiral Bird. Does it exist ? Is it real ?
According to the following it is probably not.
This strange belief seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that Byrd referred to Antarctica as “The Land of Everlasting Mystery” and once wrote: “I’d like to see that land beyond the (North) Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the Center of the Great Unknown.” Such evidence apparently suffices for the alternative scientist.
Strangely enough you don’t read anything about it on his wiki page either.
Wiki link. Admiral bird.
It is looking bad for the believers. Score: 0-2
Gravity ?
According to the theory, the Earth’s surface has two sides. The outside ( where we live ), and the inner side ( home of 12 tribes from which 6 use to live on the outer side and even a few alien species are mentioned. They say the Earth in between is 800 km thick.
The answer :
Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is therefore unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity.Someone on the inside of a hollow Earth would not experience an outward pull and could not stand on the inner surface; rather, the theory of gravity implies that a person on the inside would be nearly weightless. This was first shown by Newton, whose shell theorem mathematically predicts a gravitational force (from the shell) of zero everywhere inside a spherically symmetric hollow shell of matter, regardless of the shell’s thickness.
A tiny gravitational force would arise from the fact that the Earth does not have a perfectly symmetrical spherical shape, as well as forces from other bodies such as the Moon. The centrifugal force from the Earth’s rotation would pull a person (on the inner surface) outwards if the person was traveling at the same velocity as the Earth’s interior and was in contact with the ground on the interior, but even at the equator this is only 1/300 of ordinary Earth gravity.
The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it currently is.
But because our understanding of gravity could be wrong.
I call it a tie.
Score : 1-3
I guess it would be wise for team skeptic to get a few beers in the fridge. It seems they are going to need them, while they celebrate their incoming victory.
The following picture is supposed to show the hole at the pole. Photograph from orbit.
And…
Well, I’ve got to be honest. The second pic. does look like it shows a hole. I call this one in favor of the believers.
Score: 2-3
Do I see some tension on the horizon ?
I told you I was coming back on the very first list of 6 “facts”. The time is now.
1. Well… On Google Earth I found something that looks like a huge dome, that covers the South pole center. The North, I see nothing but blue.
2. and 4. and 5. are IMO a figment of someone’s imagination. Or they just not backed up by proof.
3. Is proven wrong , as we know what creates the aurora borealis.
6. I think you can pretty much assume, late Admiral Bird did not keep this secret. As he never spoke the exact words that say the hollow Earth really does exist.
So, that leaves us with 2 points for the believers and 4 or the skeptics. Number 1 I could not proof. Number 6 I believe is unlikely, but plausible.
Score: 4-7
Seismic Information
Although not visually observable, the core of the Earth is observable via vibrations (primarily from earthquakes) passing from one side of the planet to the other. Using this method, geologists have been able to establish the structure of mantle, outer core, and inner core known today. A hollow earth would behave entirely differently in terms of seismic observations.
Obvious one for team skeptic.
Score: 4-8
Visual evidence.
The deepest hole drilled to date is the SG-3 borehole which is 12.3 km (7.6 miles) deep, part of the Soviet Kola Superdeep Borehole project; thus, visual knowledge of the Earth’s structure extends that far.
Well that is just a ridiculous argument. This is claimed as actual evidence.
1 point for the believers.
Score: 5-8
I was going to call for a winner right here… Was I not introduced by a web page with tons of info, in favor of the hollow Earth theory.
Really I didn’t expect to find what I will post next…
The evidence in favor of the hollow earth theory.The following I’ve found on : United States Patent and Trademark Office. ( Looks official to me. )
Patent Number: US001096102
On November 25, 1912 Marshall B. Gardner of Aurora, Kane County, Illinois, USA, submitted his discovery application to the United States Patent Office.
18 months later, on May 12,1914, this federal agency granted Mr. Gardner United States patent 1096102, the second most important scientific document ever issued. Its scientific significance is exceeded only by the mechanical flight discovery of Orville and Wilbur Wright in 1903.For reasons which even Mr. Gardner could not have fully anticipated in the early 1900s, and which are now abundantly clear, his discovery soon became the most highly classified military secret of all time. In 1913 Gardner wrote his original book proving beyond any doubt that our Earth is a hollow sphere. So voluminous was the evidence which he continued to amass from studies of astronomy and Polar exploration, that he expanded his book to 450 pages in 1920.
Link to page 1 of 3. To patent.
Link to patent front page.
There is a lot of info placed so I will only post the points that are used as evidence. The rest is up to you and your curiosity.
By far the three most significant categories of evidence proving the validity of United States patent 1096102 are:1) warmer climate in Polar region
2) eccentric behavior of the compass
3) the peculiar polar lights known respectively as the Aurora Borealis and, in Antarctica, the Aurora Australis
Although the brevity of this article prevents all but a cursory examination of the voluminous available evidence, there are several other categories of proof as well. These include:
4) a dramatic increase in plant and animal life at the far north, also extreme northward bird migrations at the onset of Winter
5) stones, wood, dust, pollen, and mud found both on and imbedded in ice bergs
6) anomalous radio wave behavior in polar region
7) gravitational increase measurable at the Polar Curve, sufficient to cause a significant segregation of salt water and fresh water
8) strange situation of the far north Eskimo, a people with a completely unique language and whose oral tradition states that they originated from much farther north in a warm land of perpetual daylight
9) polar sea depth and strong south-going current in the high Arctic
10) the perfectly fresh mammoths found encased in the ice
A) if, as the official government position postulates, these elephants died during a climate shift from tropical to frigid, it is logical to inquire why didn’t these shivering elephants simply ’pack their trunks’ and move south? or
B) if this alleged climate shift happened suddenly, then why aren’t these ’flash frozen’ pachyderms found alongside the inevitable ’flash frozen’ thousands of acres of forest in which they lived?
11) the peculiar chemistry and mathematics of ice bergs, enormous objects composed of fresh water and which, although there is almost no annual precipitation with which to replace them, travel by the thousands slowly southward to melt every year
The compass has been trying to indicate the true configuration of the Polar regions ever since man first employed this instrument in his quest for those mythical poles. Instead of smoothly leading would be conquerors of the pole to the fabled 90* latitude point, as it must if the official description of the Earth’s geology is correct, the needle starts to perform in an agitated and indecisive fashion in high latitudes. After reaching approximately the 80th parallel, an extraordinary thing begins to occur—the needle starts vertical movement! It is at that stage that the conflicting forces of magnetism and gravity are manifesting themselves.
Concerning the compass, Russian explorer Snegirev writes:
“…the magnetic pole…makes some kind of tricky curve…inconvenience of traveling by compass alone. The arrow would point northward, then suddenly it would veer to the west, and then almost reluctantly it would return to its former position.”
The above is found along with several eye witness testimonies, complete with dates and sources.
From that same page I will add. some info. on the aurora borealis. The reasons why it can not be explained by the current theory. I’m not in a position to confirm these points.
My question to you : Can this be confirmed or not ?
1) electricity and magnetism do not move haphazardly about in enormous curtain shapes
2) the Aurora is noticeably affected by local weather changes
3) the Aurora displays a significant variety of colors, often concurrently
4) the magnetic needle functions even at the equator, but the Aurora is almost exclusively polar
5) actual electrical phenomena, such as lightening, are noisy, yet the Aurora is silent
6) particles from the Sun are mainly hydrogen, yet very little hydrogen is recorded in the spectograph’s analysis of Auroral light
7) If caused by a perpetual flow of electrons from the Sun, then why are Auroral displays sometimes present and sometimes absent?
8) the most powerful refutation is that Auroras are often experienced on-site with no affect upon the magnetic needle!
The last thing from this page was this :
The large number of witnesses grew dramatically when NBC TV aired their April 20, 1992 report by Pentagon correspondent Fred Francis at the edge of perhaps the most highly classified military base in the world Area 51. After an eventual full disclosure and subsequent public exploration of the Interior Earth, Interior Mars will be even more fascinating.
How about that !?
Can anyone recall they have seen this ? Does anyone know it is a proven HOAX ?
And more…
Link.
Here a link that provides secondary evidence, along with, according to them, a scientific fact, which is ignored by the so called “experts”. ( Under the title, The Poles Explained.)
Link.
Impact crater evidence indicates…Hollow Planet Structure.
Link.
An ancient Egyptian map of Antarctica ? The location for Atlantis ?
Link.
The map.
Yeah…
I’ve done this topic Atlantis /Antarctica. Never heard about an Egyptian map before tho.
All there is to find about Admiral Bird. ( Rockefeller ?)
Link.
Mysteries of the Inner Earth.
Where you can find the standard theory and the hollow earth theory at one page.
Easy for comparing the two. Along with two explanations of why our standard understanding is wrong. On gravity and Seismology.
Link.
Plate tectonics.
Plate tectonics – the reigning paradigm in the earth sciences – faces some very severe and apparently fatal problems. Far from being a simple, elegant, all-embracing global theory, it is confronted with a multitude of observational anomalies, and has had to be patched up with a complex variety of ad-hoc modifications and auxiliary hypotheses.
The existence of deep continental roots and the absence of a continuous, global asthenosphere to “lubricate” plate motions, have rendered the classical model of plate movements untenable. There is no consensus on the thickness of the “plates” and no certainty as to the forces responsible for their supposed movement.
The hypotheses of large-scale continental movements, seafloor spreading and subduction, and the relative youth of the oceanic crust are contradicted by a substantial volume of data. Evidence for significant amounts of submerged continental crust in the present-day oceans provides another major challenge to plate tectonics. The fundamental principles of plate tectonics therefore require critical reexamination, revision, or rejection.
Link.
I ran into this before in my thread called : The Expanding Earth Hypothesis.
I found a map of the age of the oceanic floor.
The map is made with data that was a result of a scientific survey of the age of the oceanic floor.
The source was was the national geophysical data center.
Link.
Seismology. The arguments in favor of and why not ?.
Link.
The last one.
The page where almost all links can be found I’ve placed above and many more.
The reason for me to place the above links are because, IMO, they have the most evidence.
And a number of them contain the scientific evidence in favor as well as the opposite.
Link.I’m leaving you all with this.
My arguments are covered and possibly disproved. So there is no need to write them down.
Because honestly, I started with the idea that the theory was a HOAX. I’m not so sure any more.
I hope some of you can shed some more light on this subject.
I’ll have to admit that I’ve run into a wall here. I’m not educated well enough to make any further statement whatsoever. This ended at least for me totally unexpected.
I apologize for it. I do hope I’ve presented a thread that got your attention. Well… actually I only hope you enjoyed reading it. Because I think that would be the only and most important thing of all.
Kind regards
~ Sinter.
Amazing post of Sinterklaas member of ATS.